I have a clumsy setup here which I share with my son and his computer. So I wanted to move my new Mac Pro under a shelf to give me more leg room and realized this morning it's impossible. There is no keyboard power button so I'd have to bend over (I'm sorta disabled after breaking my back) to turn it on. My other Macs always had a power switch on the keyboard and this one doesn't. Phoned Apple and they reluctantly said nope, can't work. I did try the old keyboard from my iMac and it didn't work.
This can't be true! There must be a way around it??? Not rocket surgery, just trying to turn the damn thing on without bending over...
Sheesh!
On 2007-09-29 12:58:11 -0500, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid said:
I have a clumsy setup here which I share with my son and his computer. So I wanted to move my new Mac Pro under a shelf to give me more leg room and realized this morning it's impossible. There is no keyboard power button so I'd have to bend over (I'm sorta disabled after breaking my back) to turn it on. My other Macs always had a power switch on the keyboard and this one doesn't. Phoned Apple and they reluctantly said nope, can't work. I did try the old keyboard from my iMac and it didn't work.
This can't be true! There must be a way around it??? Not rocket surgery, just trying to turn the damn thing on without bending over...
You might consider setting System Preferences > Energy Saver to put the computer to sleep when it's not in use rather than shutting it down.
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:58:50 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote (in article 2007092913585050073-jollyroger@redacted.invalid):
On 2007-09-29 12:58:11 -0500, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid said:
I have a clumsy setup here which I share with my son and his computer. So I wanted to move my new Mac Pro under a shelf to give me more leg room and realized this morning it's impossible. There is no keyboard power button so I'd have to bend over (I'm sorta disabled after breaking my back) to turn it on. My other Macs always had a power switch on the keyboard and this one doesn't. Phoned Apple and they reluctantly said nope, can't work. I did try the old keyboard from my iMac and it didn't work.
This can't be true! There must be a way around it??? Not rocket surgery, just trying to turn the damn thing on without bending over...
You might consider setting System Preferences > Energy Saver to put the computer to sleep when it's not in use rather than shutting it down.
Jeepers, I never thought of that but a good idea. I've been using an iBook for years and the laptop needed to be shut down and put away. But this one doesn't so why not do it that way.
Thanks :-)
Ruddell wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:58:50 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote (in article 2007092913585050073-jollyroger@redacted.invalid):
On 2007-09-29 12:58:11 -0500, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid said:
I have a clumsy setup here which I share with my son and his computer. So I wanted to move my new Mac Pro under a shelf to give me more leg room and realized this morning it's impossible. There is no keyboard power button so I'd have to bend over (I'm sorta disabled after breaking my back) to turn it on. My other Macs always had a power switch on the keyboard and this one doesn't. Phoned Apple and they reluctantly said nope, can't work. I did try the old keyboard from my iMac and it didn't work.
This can't be true! There must be a way around it??? Not rocket surgery, just trying to turn the damn thing on without bending over... You might consider setting System Preferences > Energy Saver to put the computer to sleep when it's not in use rather than shutting it down.
Jeepers, I never thought of that but a good idea. I've been using an iBook for years and the laptop needed to be shut down and put away. But this one doesn't so why not do it that way.
Thanks :-)
Yep, and you can use the Command-Option-Eject shortcut to sleep the machine when required.
Andy.
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:04:57 -0600, Andy wrote (in article 46ff044a$0$3610$5a62ac22@redacted.invalid):
Ruddell wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:58:50 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote (in article 2007092913585050073-jollyroger@redacted.invalid):
On 2007-09-29 12:58:11 -0500, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid said:
I have a clumsy setup here which I share with my son and his computer.
So I wanted to move my new Mac Pro under a shelf to give me more leg room and realized this morning it's impossible. There is no keyboard power button so I'd have to bend over (I'm sorta disabled after breaking my back) to turn it on. My other Macs always had a power switch on the keyboard and this one doesn't. Phoned Apple and they reluctantly said nope, can't work. I did try the old keyboard from my iMac and it didn't work.This can't be true! There must be a way around it??? Not rocket surgery, just trying to turn the damn thing on without bending over... You might consider setting System Preferences > Energy Saver to put the computer to sleep when it's not in use rather than shutting it down.
Jeepers, I never thought of that but a good idea. I've been using an iBook for years and the laptop needed to be shut down and put away. But this one doesn't so why not do it that way.
Thanks :-)
Yep, and you can use the Command-Option-Eject shortcut to sleep the machine when required.
Andy.
Wild stuff. I did not know that! (Not my line of course as it was one of Johnny's favourites). But damn, that works and I've been using Macs for over ten years!
Sheesh, so much to learn and so little time to learn it in. What do you know about gas bbq's???
Ruddell wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:04:57 -0600, Andy wrote
Yep, and you can use the Command-Option-Eject shortcut to sleep the machine when required.
Andy.
Wild stuff. I did not know that! (Not my line of course as it was one of Johnny's favourites). But damn, that works and I've been using Macs for over ten years!
I only found out about it a week ago, and I've been using Macs for 20 years! :-) I do miss the power button on the keyboards though, my G4 MDD machine lives on the floor next to the desk so powering it on/off is a hassle.
Sheesh, so much to learn and so little time to learn it in. What do you know about gas bbq's???
Hmmm...not much at all really, but you've just made me quite hungry.
Andy.
In article 46ff5af0$0$3562$5a62ac22@redacted.invalid, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid wrote:
I do miss the power button on the keyboards though, my G4 MDD machine lives on the floor next to the desk so powering it on/off is a hassle.
Powering it off shouldn't be a hassle because you shouldn't be using the power switch to do that. Use Shut Down from the Apple menu.
On 2007-09-30 08:03:06 -0500, Michelle Steiner michelle@redacted.invalid said:
In article 46ff5af0$0$3562$5a62ac22@redacted.invalid, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid wrote:
I do miss the power button on the keyboards though, my G4 MDD machine lives on the floor next to the desk so powering it on/off is a hassle.
Powering it off shouldn't be a hassle because you shouldn't be using the power switch to do that. Use Shut Down from the Apple menu.
Yep, it's powering it back on that causes him pain.
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2007-09-30 08:03:06 -0500, Michelle Steiner michelle@redacted.invalid said:
In article 46ff5af0$0$3562$5a62ac22@redacted.invalid, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid wrote:
I do miss the power button on the keyboards though, my G4 MDD machine lives on the floor next to the desk so powering it on/off is a hassle.
Powering it off shouldn't be a hassle because you shouldn't be using the power switch to do that. Use Shut Down from the Apple menu.
Yep, it's powering it back on that causes him pain.
Correct. (Long day, and a nasty case of the flu to boot.)
Andy.
Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-09-30 08:03:06 -0500, Michelle Steiner michelle@redacted.invalid said:
In article 46ff5af0$0$3562$5a62ac22@redacted.invalid, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid wrote:
I do miss the power button on the keyboards though, my G4 MDD machine lives on the floor next to the desk so powering it on/off is a hassle.
Powering it off shouldn't be a hassle because you shouldn't be using the power switch to do that. Use Shut Down from the Apple menu.
Yep, it's powering it back on that causes him pain.
I think he's decided just to use sleep instead. The occasional restart can be done from the keyboard of course.
Adrian wrote:
Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-09-30 08:03:06 -0500, Michelle Steiner michelle@redacted.invalid said:
In article 46ff5af0$0$3562$5a62ac22@redacted.invalid, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid wrote:
I do miss the power button on the keyboards though, my G4 MDD machine lives on the floor next to the desk so powering it on/off is a hassle. Powering it off shouldn't be a hassle because you shouldn't be using the power switch to do that. Use Shut Down from the Apple menu. Yep, it's powering it back on that causes him pain.
I think he's decided just to use sleep instead. The occasional restart can be done from the keyboard of course.
Er...yes, I have :-) BUT, every now and then I get a kernel panic just after waking the machine, or as I attempt to sleep it, which then involves bending awkwardly and holding the bloody power button in for several seconds to turn the machine off.
Andy.
On 2007-09-30 20:58:08 -0500, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid said:
every now and then I get a kernel panic just after waking the machine, or as I attempt to sleep it, which then involves bending awkwardly and holding the bloody power button in for several seconds to turn the machine off.
Sometimes this can be caused by a bug in a video, USB, Firewire, or SCSI driver, and sometimes a bug in the firmware of one such device. I would check to be sure you have the absolute latest drivers and firmware for all such devices.
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2007-09-30 20:58:08 -0500, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid said:
every now and then I get a kernel panic just after waking the machine, or as I attempt to sleep it, which then involves bending awkwardly and holding the bloody power button in for several seconds to turn the machine off.
Sometimes this can be caused by a bug in a video, USB, Firewire, or SCSI driver, and sometimes a bug in the firmware of one such device. I would check to be sure you have the absolute latest drivers and firmware for all such devices.
I was guessing it may be marginal RAM (I bought it cheap off eBay) - As far as devices go all I have plugged in is an Apple Keyboard (the new style), with a cheap Logitech mouse plugged into the machine through the hub on the keyboard, an old 21" CRT monitor used with a VGA adaptor type thing and an ethernet cable.
These panics happen very occasionally, so it doesn't really bother me that much (although I would prefer it if this machine was super-reliable and never crashed like my old eMac 700.)
How would I go about checking for firmware updates? IIRC there was an update for earlier MDD machines relating to getting the fan speed working properly under OS9, but mine appears to be up-to-date as far as that goes (and I don't even have OS9 installed nowadays).
Cheers, Andy.
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:22:54 -0600, Adrian wrote (in article 1i59psg.1xnf0cg2mpcv2N%nonesuch@redacted.invalid):
Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-09-30 08:03:06 -0500, Michelle Steiner michelle@redacted.invalid said:
In article 46ff5af0$0$3562$5a62ac22@redacted.invalid, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid wrote:
I do miss the power button on the keyboards though, my G4 MDD machine lives on the floor next to the desk so powering it on/off is a hassle.
Powering it off shouldn't be a hassle because you shouldn't be using the power switch to do that. Use Shut Down from the Apple menu.
Yep, it's powering it back on that causes him pain.
I think he's decided just to use sleep instead. The occasional restart can be done from the keyboard of course.
Thanks all for so much for the help. It's amazing what you can find from clever minds. Now, Mr. Jolly Roger, when in Regina Saskatchewan don't forget to check out the Jolly Roger here in town. Coldest beer in the province and of course there's no room to park. Which isn't an issue because we don't drink and drive in the Cold White North.
Live, from my new Mac Pro :-)
On 2007-09-30 23:09:03 -0500, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid said:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:22:54 -0600, Adrian wrote (in article 1i59psg.1xnf0cg2mpcv2N%nonesuch@redacted.invalid):
Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-09-30 08:03:06 -0500, Michelle Steiner michelle@redacted.invalid said:
In article 46ff5af0$0$3562$5a62ac22@redacted.invalid, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid wrote:
I do miss the power button on the keyboards though, my G4 MDD machine lives on the floor next to the desk so powering it on/off is a hassle.
Powering it off shouldn't be a hassle because you shouldn't be using the power switch to do that. Use Shut Down from the Apple menu.
Yep, it's powering it back on that causes him pain.
I think he's decided just to use sleep instead. The occasional restart can be done from the keyboard of course.
Thanks all for so much for the help. It's amazing what you can find from clever minds. Now, Mr. Jolly Roger, when in Regina Saskatchewan don't forget to check out the Jolly Roger here in town. Coldest beer in the province and of course there's no room to park. Which isn't an issue because we don't drink and drive in the Cold White North.
Live, from my new Mac Pro :-)
Hey, if I'm ever up that way I'll let you know. Maybe we can meet there for a beer. : )
On 2007-09-30 22:43:51 -0500, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid said:
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2007-09-30 20:58:08 -0500, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid said:
every now and then I get a kernel panic just after waking the machine, or as I attempt to sleep it, which then involves bending awkwardly and holding the bloody power button in for several seconds to turn the machine off.
Sometimes this can be caused by a bug in a video, USB, Firewire, or SCSI driver, and sometimes a bug in the firmware of one such device. I would check to be sure you have the absolute latest drivers and firmware for all such devices.
I was guessing it may be marginal RAM (I bought it cheap off eBay) - As far as devices go all I have plugged in is an Apple Keyboard (the new style), with a cheap Logitech mouse plugged into the machine through the hub on the keyboard, an old 21" CRT monitor used with a VGA adaptor type thing and an ethernet cable.
What model Mac is this? Did you say a G4 MDD?
What video card do you have in it? If it's a MDD, it came with a Radeon 9000 Pr or a GeForce 4 MX. What does Apple System Profiler tell you about the video card?
These panics happen very occasionally, so it doesn't really bother me that much (although I would prefer it if this machine was super-reliable and never crashed like my old eMac 700.)
I've known ATI video drivers to cause occasional kernel panics on wake from sleep. If we can figure out what card you have we can get you the latest drivers and firmware and get those installed.
How would I go about checking for firmware updates? IIRC there was an update for earlier MDD machines relating to getting the fan speed working properly under OS9, but mine appears to be up-to-date as far as that goes (and I don't even have OS9 installed nowadays).
I would be more concerned with the video card firmware, but it would be good to make sure your computer firmware is up-to-date as well. I believe Apple System profiler will tell you what version you have installed right now. It appears this is the latest for the G4 MDD:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120171
In article 2007100109093916807-jollyroger@redacted.invalid, Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-09-30 23:09:03 -0500, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid said:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:22:54 -0600, Adrian wrote (in article 1i59psg.1xnf0cg2mpcv2N%nonesuch@redacted.invalid):
Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-09-30 08:03:06 -0500, Michelle Steiner michelle@redacted.invalid said:
In article 46ff5af0$0$3562$5a62ac22@redacted.invalid, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid wrote:
I do miss the power button on the keyboards though, my G4 MDD machine lives on the floor next to the desk so powering it on/off is a hassle.
Powering it off shouldn't be a hassle because you shouldn't be using the power switch to do that. Use Shut Down from the Apple menu.
Yep, it's powering it back on that causes him pain.
I think he's decided just to use sleep instead. The occasional restart can be done from the keyboard of course.
Thanks all for so much for the help. It's amazing what you can find from clever minds. Now, Mr. Jolly Roger, when in Regina Saskatchewan don't forget to check out the Jolly Roger here in town. Coldest beer in the province and of course there's no room to park. Which isn't an issue because we don't drink and drive in the Cold White North.
Snort...
Live, from my new Mac Pro :-)
Hey, if I'm ever up that way I'll let you know. Maybe we can meet there for a beer. : )
I'm only about 2 hours north of that...
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2007-09-30 22:43:51 -0500, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid said:
I was guessing it may be marginal RAM (I bought it cheap off eBay) - As far as devices go all I have plugged in is an Apple Keyboard (the new style), with a cheap Logitech mouse plugged into the machine through the hub on the keyboard, an old 21" CRT monitor used with a VGA adaptor type thing and an ethernet cable.
What model Mac is this? Did you say a G4 MDD?
Yep. Dual 1GHz, 1.75GB RAM.
What video card do you have in it? If it's a MDD, it came with a Radeon 9000 Pr or a GeForce 4 MX. What does Apple System Profiler tell you about the video card?
It's the Radeon 9000 Pro.
These panics happen very occasionally, so it doesn't really bother me that much (although I would prefer it if this machine was super-reliable and never crashed like my old eMac 700.)
I've known ATI video drivers to cause occasional kernel panics on wake from sleep. If we can figure out what card you have we can get you the latest drivers and firmware and get those installed.
OK - I'm listening - I wasn't aware that video card firmware was updatable or patchable. Sorry if this is a n00b question, but where do I check for updates?
I would be more concerned with the video card firmware, but it would be good to make sure your computer firmware is up-to-date as well. I believe Apple System profiler will tell you what version you have installed right now. It appears this is the latest for the G4 MDD:
Yep, I remember checking earlier this year. It's up to date.
Cheers, Andy.
On 2007-10-01 16:36:59 -0500, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid said:
Jolly Roger wrote:
What video card do you have in it? If it's a MDD, it came with a Radeon 9000 Pr or a GeForce 4 MX. What does Apple System Profiler tell you about the video card?
It's the Radeon 9000 Pro.
These panics happen very occasionally, so it doesn't really bother me that much (although I would prefer it if this machine was super-reliable and never crashed like my old eMac 700.)
I've known ATI video drivers to cause occasional kernel panics on wake from sleep. If we can figure out what card you have we can get you the latest drivers and firmware and get those installed.
OK - I'm listening - I wasn't aware that video card firmware was updatable or patchable. Sorry if this is a n00b question, but where do I check for updates?
Here you go:
http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/mac/macosx10-4x-3x-radeon.html
I would install both. Be sure to read the included ReadMe documents before installing and follow the directions carefully.
On 2007-10-01 09:33:57 -0500, Dave Balderstone <dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
In article 2007100109093916807-jollyroger@redacted.invalid, Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-09-30 23:09:03 -0500, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid said:
Live, from my new Mac Pro :-)
Hey, if I'm ever up that way I'll let you know. Maybe we can meet there for a beer. : )
I'm only about 2 hours north of that...
Cool. If I pay his new Mac Pro a visit, I know just how to find you. : D
In article 2007100119065427544-jollyroger@redacted.invalid, Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-10-01 09:33:57 -0500, Dave Balderstone <dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
In article 2007100109093916807-jollyroger@redacted.invalid, Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-09-30 23:09:03 -0500, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid said:
Live, from my new Mac Pro :-)
Hey, if I'm ever up that way I'll let you know. Maybe we can meet there for a beer. : )
I'm only about 2 hours north of that...
Cool. If I pay his new Mac Pro a visit, I know just how to find you. : D
If you like fishing, it's a trip worth making.
On 2007-10-01 19:12:21 -0500, Dave Balderstone <dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
In article 2007100119065427544-jollyroger@redacted.invalid, Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-10-01 09:33:57 -0500, Dave Balderstone <dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
In article 2007100109093916807-jollyroger@redacted.invalid, Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-09-30 23:09:03 -0500, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid said:
Live, from my new Mac Pro :-)
Hey, if I'm ever up that way I'll let you know. Maybe we can meet there for a beer. : )
I'm only about 2 hours north of that...
Cool. If I pay his new Mac Pro a visit, I know just how to find you. : D
If you like fishing, it's a trip worth making.
I'd definitely go to watch the wildlife but not to catch fish (they seem much happier in the water). Is that okay? ; )
In article 2007100122121864440-jollyroger@redacted.invalid, Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-10-01 19:12:21 -0500, Dave Balderstone <dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
In article 2007100119065427544-jollyroger@redacted.invalid, Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-10-01 09:33:57 -0500, Dave Balderstone <dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
In article 2007100109093916807-jollyroger@redacted.invalid, Jolly Roger jollyroger@redacted.invalid wrote:
On 2007-09-30 23:09:03 -0500, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid said:
Live, from my new Mac Pro :-)
Hey, if I'm ever up that way I'll let you know. Maybe we can meet there for a beer. : )
I'm only about 2 hours north of that...
Cool. If I pay his new Mac Pro a visit, I know just how to find you. : D
If you like fishing, it's a trip worth making.
I'd definitely go to watch the wildlife but not to catch fish (they seem much happier in the water). Is that okay? ; )
You do seem to understand the difference between fishing and catching, but watching wildlife is not necessarily part of either.
Still, it can be arranged. Do you prefer it moving, or lying on the side of the highway? The latter is a lot easier.
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2007-10-01 16:36:59 -0500, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid said:
Jolly Roger wrote:
What video card do you have in it? If it's a MDD, it came with a Radeon 9000 Pr or a GeForce 4 MX. What does Apple System Profiler tell you about the video card?
It's the Radeon 9000 Pro.
These panics happen very occasionally, so it doesn't really bother me that much (although I would prefer it if this machine was super-reliable and never crashed like my old eMac 700.)
I've known ATI video drivers to cause occasional kernel panics on wake from sleep. If we can figure out what card you have we can get you the latest drivers and firmware and get those installed.
OK - I'm listening - I wasn't aware that video card firmware was updatable or patchable. Sorry if this is a n00b question, but where do I check for updates?
Here you go:
http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/mac/macosx10-4x-3x-radeon.html
I would install both. Be sure to read the included ReadMe documents before installing and follow the directions carefully.
Thanks for that, but it looks like Apple may actually be on top of things: ...
"If you have a newer release of Mac OS X, you should already have the required ATI components as part of your OS. Running this installer will not install anything. This installer and its core driver set are not compatible with Tiger, Mac OS X 10.4. Tiger already includes its own versions of the ATI core drivers. Any future updates will be available on the ATI web site."
Cheers! Andy.
On 2007-10-02 02:24:00 -0500, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid said:
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2007-10-01 16:36:59 -0500, Andy nospam@redacted.invalid said:
Jolly Roger wrote:
What video card do you have in it? If it's a MDD, it came with a Radeon 9000 Pr or a GeForce 4 MX. What does Apple System Profiler tell you about the video card?
It's the Radeon 9000 Pro.
These panics happen very occasionally, so it doesn't really bother me that much (although I would prefer it if this machine was super-reliable and never crashed like my old eMac 700.)
I've known ATI video drivers to cause occasional kernel panics on wake from sleep. If we can figure out what card you have we can get you the latest drivers and firmware and get those installed.
OK - I'm listening - I wasn't aware that video card firmware was updatable or patchable. Sorry if this is a n00b question, but where do I check for updates?
Here you go:
http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/mac/macosx10-4x-3x-radeon.html
I would install both. Be sure to read the included ReadMe documents before installing and follow the directions carefully.
Thanks for that, but it looks like Apple may actually be on top of things: ...
"If you have a newer release of Mac OS X, you should already have the required ATI components as part of your OS. Running this installer will not install anything. This installer and its core driver set are not compatible with Tiger, Mac OS X 10.4. Tiger already includes its own versions of the ATI core drivers. Any future updates will be available on the ATI web site."
I would install it anyway just in case there is something it can update from an older version. If it updates nothing you are out nothing, but if it updates something causing your problem - problem solved.
On 2007-10-02 00:11:58 -0500, Dave Balderstone <dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
Do you prefer it moving, or lying on the side of the highway?
Neither - I prefer it swimming happily in its home! = )
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:43:28 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote (in article 2007100209432875249-jollyroger@redacted.invalid):
On 2007-10-02 00:11:58 -0500, Dave Balderstone <dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
Do you prefer it moving, or lying on the side of the highway?
Neither - I prefer it swimming happily in its home! = )
Two hours north? You're close to 'toontown then I'm imagine?
On 2007-10-03 15:58:31 -0500, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid said:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:43:28 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote (in article 2007100209432875249-jollyroger@redacted.invalid):
On 2007-10-02 00:11:58 -0500, Dave Balderstone <dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
Do you prefer it moving, or lying on the side of the highway?
Neither - I prefer it swimming happily in its home! = )
Two hours north? You're close to 'toontown then I'm imagine?
I'm neither two hours North nor close to 'toontown, whatever that is - so no.
In article 0001HW.C3295E97004B8B92B019F94F@redacted.invalid, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:43:28 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote (in article 2007100209432875249-jollyroger@redacted.invalid):
On 2007-10-02 00:11:58 -0500, Dave Balderstone <dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
Do you prefer it moving, or lying on the side of the highway?
Neither - I prefer it swimming happily in its home! = )
Two hours north? You're close to 'toontown then I'm imagine?
I'm in Stoon.
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:57:04 -0600, Dave Balderstone wrote (in article <031020071657044211%dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>):
In article 0001HW.C3295E97004B8B92B019F94F@redacted.invalid, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:43:28 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote (in article 2007100209432875249-jollyroger@redacted.invalid):
On 2007-10-02 00:11:58 -0500, Dave Balderstone <dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
Do you prefer it moving, or lying on the side of the highway?
Neither - I prefer it swimming happily in its home! = )
Two hours north? You're close to 'toontown then I'm imagine?
I'm in Stoon.
So, my guess is you're a green & white :-)
In article 0001HW.C32A7646000046AAB019F94F@redacted.invalid, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:57:04 -0600, Dave Balderstone wrote (in article <031020071657044211%dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>):
In article 0001HW.C3295E97004B8B92B019F94F@redacted.invalid, Ruddell ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@redacted.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:43:28 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote (in article 2007100209432875249-jollyroger@redacted.invalid):
On 2007-10-02 00:11:58 -0500, Dave Balderstone <dave@redacted.invalid_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
Do you prefer it moving, or lying on the side of the highway?
Neither - I prefer it swimming happily in its home! = )
Two hours north? You're close to 'toontown then I'm imagine?
I'm in Stoon.
So, my guess is you're a green & white :-)
Pro sport is pretty much a waste of time, IMO.